|It was 1983! Everyone's hair looked like that!|
Basics of the card
As always, throwing up the card as a start.
|Turn around, every now and then I get a little bit brighter.....|
First, we have the basic MC30 turning pattern, using navigation to add one click at the first joint. Simple, easy, turns to the left like we like for our attack run. If we use Madine's ability, we get the below picture, however.
|Yes, move closer....|
And that's JUST the part about adding two clicks! (Specifically, in the first joint AGAIN in the above example). If we go even further, adding it into the first joint, with an extra click in the second joint from a nav token, we can get THIS picture (2 clicks, 2 clicks, 2 clicks - Madine for 2, one on the card and one from a token, and two on the card, respectively).
|135 degree turn! Madness! Madine-ness!|
|Or like Goldeen! I'm going to run this "Een" joke into the ground here, so get used to it.|
Have you ever wanted to prey on your opponent's fears, make them unable to tell WHERE your next attack could be coming from? Have you ever wanted to make your opponent afraid to move, as you dart away from his best arcs and into his weaker, underdefended ones? Have you ever wanted to get the LMC80 to turn on a dime like a ship 2 base sizes smaller?
|This is both physically possible and hitting that same ISD side arc both turns while never entering black dice range. This should TERRIFY you.|
Now, the original common "complaint" I saw from people is that Madine "isn't as good as Jerjerrod." You have to actually NAVIGATE instead of just taking it when needed to fix your turning issues. Madine has two things going for him, though, as compared to Jerry, which ALSO helps steer you towards HOW you want to build your Madine lists.
|Just use butter to turn faster, y'all!|
First, many Rebellion ships are generally more maneuverable than their Imperial counterparts, especially at higher speeds. CR90s and MC30s have several places in their navigation paths with 2 clicks (CR90s at the end in 3 and 4 speed, MC30s at speed 3), and the GR75 in general is more maneuverable than its Gozanti counterpart. So while Jerjerrod lets you add in clicks at joint 1, they still either need to navigate to add in later clicks, or they're at the mercy of wherever their later path takes them.
Second, Madine lets you add clicks in WHEREVER you want, and with both the navigate command and navigate tokens. Jerry gives you more speed for turning early, but he doesn't help further down the road. It's a subtle thing, but it's important. Jerjerrod lets you keep turning to be in a spot where you can keep your opponent in your sights, but Madine isn't about that. Madine lets you turn where you need WHEN you need, in order to both maximize where you end up and where you attack. You're trying to use Madine's ability to both stay out of trouble/bad arcs of your opponent's, and get into the best arcs to shoot (the undergunned ones). Exploit his navigating ability to have your good arcs attack their ships at their best ranges while preventing them from hitting you. Having a good head for distances/ranges and what needs to move when will help a LOT here.
Simply put, Madine lets you navigate until you don't need to navigate anymore. Stay out of the bad arcs, stay out of bad (black dice) ranges of your opponent's, but be where you can put the hurt in on them. Concentrate Fire, then pull a runner and get either back into the fight where you weren't expected to be or get gone before you get shot and die, remaining either out of range or in a terrible arc for them to fire from; ISD sides, HMC80 fronts/backs, etc.
|Navigate until it's time to stop navigating - Dalton's original quote|
|Questions I have trouble answering|
Madine is NOT an easy Commander to grasp, as the ships he uses can often overextend themselves or end up NOT navigating at the right time or navigating when they should have concentrated fire or used engineering, resulting in a dead ship on your own end, or an alive ship on your opponent's end. However, if you CAN get him understood and used properly (I make no claims that I'm perfect with him), you can strike out of nowhere like a wraith in the night. Slide that vibroblade into their kidneys, and make your opponent pay for not taking your navigating abilities seriously.
Common Ships/Builds/Ways to Run Him
The benefit of Madine is that all the Rebellion ships can make use of him. Want to build a weird plan with Nebulon B's and H1MC80s? Sure, turn on a dime like you can. However, here's what I've found works best with him.
|Sadly, the closest thing you can get to a Spyder is a MC30 going speed 4. Has about the same results as it did for James, too.|
*Side note: you don't get the Madine benefit when you Engine Techs. It's just the regular speed listed on the card, as you're not modifying it Jerjerrod style, and it happens AFTER the navigate portion, so you can't turn more than 1 click with it, just FYI.
CR90: I will fully admit, the first time I saw it, I didn't see the need for Madine. How much more can you need to improve their turning? Then I played them and used them and it's so nice! Being able to use Madine for the nav token benefit to get an extra click on the turn when you're concentrating fire is SO HELPFUL that it's basically the same as getting to concentrate fire and navigate the same turn. I know Truthiness over at Steel Command swears by Engine Tech CR90s, just navigating into exactly perfect spots with them and all sorts of extra clicks.
MC30: It's already a cruise missile that you use to smash other ships. You spend a good amount of time navigating with it during the game, what if you were CRAZY good at navigating where you need to go? What if you could navigate so that you stay in range of that ISD you just shot?
Flotillas: Slicer Tools flotillas are great, and when they can get ANYWHERE, it's so nuts and fun. Again, stay in arcs you want to stay in, stay out of bad ones. Know your distances, let them come to you.
Assault Frigates: They love navigating, and the Spinal Armament Assault Frigate A's are just fun, throwing 3 red and a blue every which way. My one complaint with them is that you can do a bit better of a job with it all by spending more points on a LMC80, and I can get a little more sure dice out of the LMC80 too. However, you do you.
Hammerheads (untested): I very much like the idea of Hammerheads under Madine, as a token with him can give them the full Raider 2 click-2 click speed 2 navigational pattern. Navigating them at speed 3 can get you some CRAZY good turning, ending up potentially more than 90 degrees from your starting angle if you wanted. My concern, though, is that Hammerheads when navigating already navigate pretty well without Madine's ability, so; I'm not sure he's NEEDED. You can also put the 2 clicks at speed 3, turning them into slightly better maneuvering CR90s, but again, I'm not sure you need to. I haven't tested them with him yet, but when I do, I'll update this section. For now, check out my linked Hammerheads article.
MC75: It steers like an Assault Frigate and wants to double arc as much as possible. It's got better dice control (when you tack Leading Shots onto it, of course!) and is slightly more survivable than an Assault Frigate, so it's definitely worth a look with him.
Anything He Doesn't Like?
|He is the wiener of the two, really.|
Nebulon B's: it's almost the reverse of the Pelta and H1MC80. You don't WANT to navigate early on, haha! Nebulons live by staying in the back and flinging dice from a distance. They navigate later on to get out of the bad spots they're in, and their slower speeds are not usually helpful for turning significant amounts. I can see the benefit of throwing Salvation in with Spinal Armaments just to be concentrating fire and hitting for crazy dice from all over the map, but here's my thought for you: what's easier, 51 points for a TRCR90, or 51 points for a basic Nebulon B without a single upgrade on it to start? Hence why I say don't take them. I usually end up building Madine lists running out of points, so I need those upgrades elsewhere. And thus, Nebulons end up getting cut for me.
Squadrons: You'll notice that Madine's ability helps ships turn better. It doesn't help them push squadrons better, it doesn't help them engineer better. And several traditionally seen versions of the ships I'm saying not to take above (Yavaris, Peltas...) fall into squadron pusher roles. I'm not saying don't take ANY squadrons (you might have a bad time....), just don't go heavy into them... or even medium! And keep in mind that anything you take, you're either going to need to push, or you're going to need to get the jump on something with. A-wings, YT-2400s, and E-wings are great. YT-1300s, less so. Intercept their fighters with your interceptors.**
**I have thoughts on fighting Rieekan Aces with Madine, but as A) no one runs the Aces here and B) I've currently put Madine on hold as I've rediscovered my loves of Ackbar, squadron builds, and Leia, so these will remain mostly theories for a later time. My usual Math class textbook joke applies here, that I leave this as an exercise for the reader.
How Do I Fight Him?
|I admit to having played games so hungry that I would have surrendered for food, yes|
You can also Slicer Tools away the navigation abilities of several of his ships. As soon as that LMC80 is commanding squadrons instead of navigating, it's REALLY not going where it wants to this turn. Exploit that and see what you can do.
Madine was a very fun commander that I definitely enjoyed playing, but Raddus came along and took away a LOT of Madine's usefulness. I don't want to declare him USELESS, because if you know what you're doing with him you can shut down your opponent's list by just not being where they expect you to be. But the question you'll need to ask yourself EVERY TIME when you play him is "What makes this list something that Raddus wouldn't be better used with instead?" (Probably MC30 spam lists or other such built around not HAVING a Large-based ship in your fleet!). His role hasn't been eliminated, it's just become a lot more niche. Practice with Madine, though, and I promise you'll be able to act like a SWAT team, taking out your opponent's ships before they can strike back.